Hiren Ved Loves Bad News? That’s Where the Big Money Is Made

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Hiren Ved has spent 32 years managing money at Alchemy Capital, and his whole pitch is that the most money gets made when the news is at its worst and the price has already fallen. In this interview, recorded during a Middle East oil scare with foreign investors fleeing, he argues most of the bad news is already in the price and uses the moment to sketch a “New India 2030” model portfolio in four layers — boring compounders at the base, high-growth bets in the middle, lottery-ticket multibaggers, and a couple of beaten-down contrarian names on top. The thread running through every pick: a large opportunity, a management team that executes, and a business that can survive disruption.

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The setup: most of the bad news is already priced

The interview is timed to a moment of fear. Oil is spiking on a Middle East war, the rupee is wobbling, and foreign institutional investors are selling heavily — the Nifty has dropped 2,500-plus points in a few weeks. Nikunj Dalmia, the host, points out that every investor sees the same macro. Ved’s edge, he says, is looking at one variable everyone else underweights: price.

Most of the damage gets done in the first few days of the event occurring… would I say 80-90% is it in the price? I think so.

The caveat is honest. Whether it’s fully priced depends on how long oil stays high. A few weeks, and earnings shrug it off. Months, and margins get squeezed for two or three quarters — exactly what happened when the Russia-Ukraine war broke out in 2022. His base case assumes things normalize “by the end of this month.”

On why foreigners are selling, he reframes it as not really about India. The pull is AI. US markets are running on the belief that AI will drive enormous productivity gains, and that’s the only big capex story in town. Meanwhile the two sectors foreigners are overweight in India — banks and IT services — have gone nowhere. HDFC Bank, he notes, sits at the same price it did five years ago. So foreigners hold underperformers here while a more exciting growth story beckons elsewhere.

Building the New India 2030 portfolio

The bulk of the interview is a live portfolio-construction exercise, layered like a cake. Standard disclosure applies — Alchemy owns all of these, personally and in client books, and none of it is a recommendation.

The core (at least 50%) — large opportunity, superb management, disruption-proof. Ved’s picks: BSE and HDFC AMC (riding Indians shifting from savers to investors), Bajaj Finance on the lending side (“way ahead of everybody,” already using AI), United Spirits for premium consumption, Divi’s for R&D and manufacturing, and Hitachi plus ABB for power — the unglamorous infrastructure that data centres, renewables and automation will demand.

I think we are in the era of AI and energy where I think power will be a very critical resource.

The alpha layer (differentiated, high-growth): MCX, betting commodity trading is still early and institutions will pile in. Eternal (Zomato), which he calls the fastest-ever entry into the Nifty. CarTrade, “not very well understood” but with real moats in CarWale, BikeWale and OLX — and a founder he describes, approvingly, as “a great mixture of a new age entrepreneur and a tight Marwari when it comes to cash flows.” Plus Ethos for luxury watch retail, and Force Motors, an old OEM with no analyst coverage and a management that doesn’t speak to the Street, so you do the work yourself.

The multibaggers (explosive runway): three companies that have existed for years but never grew, now hitting an inflection — Centum Electronics (defence, space, semiconductors), Dynamatics (aerospace supply chains relocating to India), and an unnamed small software firm specialising in silicon design and satellite communication. The common pattern: capabilities retained for years, waiting for the external environment to turn.

The contra bets (fallen angels): L&T, hammered on Middle East exposure but poised to benefit from postwar reconstruction and its pivots into data centres, shipbuilding and defence. And Wockhardt — “kind of hated” for inconsistency — on the thesis that the world stopped doing R&D on infectious diseases just as antibiotic resistance grew, and its complex-antibiotic pipeline could be transformative if it clears the FDA.

The expected return on the whole construct, sized well and with some luck: late teens, maybe 20%-plus if fortunate. Against a backdrop where nominal GDP is around 9-10% and Nifty earnings have struggled, he frames late-teens as “a great place to be.”

Why great companies stop delivering returns

The sharpest analytical passage is Ved’s answer to a good question: why have undeniably great businesses — HDFC Bank, Kotak, Shree Cement — gone nowhere for years despite everyone loving them?

His answer is that markets discount future growth, not past glory. Those companies earned their premium valuations in an era when consistent, superior execution was rare. What’s changed is that the universe of excellent operators has widened — more management teams now execute as well or better.

What the market is telling you is that the future growth potential of these companies is higher than many of the blue chips of yesteryear.

He stacks three structural forces on top: falling interest rates (lower discounting, higher multiples), persistent domestic flows into equities (savings shifting to stocks, propping up valuations through the selling), and that broader universe of fast growers. The old guarantee of mid-teen Nifty returns has slipped to barely double digits — so capital concentrates wherever genuine growth still lives.

The churn — nectar and poison

Dalmia invokes the Samudra Manthan, the churning of the ocean that produced both nectar and poison. Ved’s illustration is the EV two-wheeler war. One new player took 40-45% market share as a “shooting star,” never executed, and lost half of it — a thinly veiled Ola Electric. Ather, also new, kept gaining. Incumbents TVS and Bajaj looked like late entrants but adapted fast. Everyone else went belly-up. The lesson, repeated: disruption is constant, and execution is the only thing that separates survivors from the also-rans.

The triumphs and the regret

The biographical stretch yields the headline. Ved bought Bajaj Finance in early 2010 at a market cap of 1,400 crore — today around 6.5 lakh crore, with annual profit alone near 20,000 crore. Still held. His best bet to date, and, he admits, “in a way accidental.”

The regret is the mirror image: he owned Navin Fluorine, the chemical company, and sold it too early. His partners’ parting message, relayed live, lands the same point — he’s a great stock picker who “needs to learn how to sell also.” He takes it gracefully: “It’s a valid complaint.”

His proudest contrarian calls were Varun Beverages — bought in 2015-16 when people laughed at comparing “a bottler” to FMCG companies, on the insight that distribution density across every dhaba in India was an unbuildable moat; today VBL handles 96-97% of Pepsi’s India volumes — and Paytm, bought after its regulatory crisis on the view that the brand had become a generic verb for sending money, “what Colgate is to toothpaste.”

The closing philosophy is risk-first. He manages money for the very wealthy, and what they want, before returns, is to not lose what they have.

There is no returns if you don’t take risk, but it has to be controlled risk… I don’t want to bet the house.

Key Takeaways

• The core thesis: negative surprises do most of their damage in the first few days; by the time the headlines peak, 80-90% of the pain is usually already in the price.
• FII selling in India is less an India problem and more an AI-pull problem — US markets offer the only big capex/productivity story, and foreigners are overweight India’s two laggard sectors (banks, IT).
• Portfolio architecture in four layers: core compounders (≥50%), high-growth alpha, explosive-runway multibaggers, and beaten-down contra bets — risk and expected payoff rising as you go up.
• Markets price future growth, not reputation. Once-untouchable franchises derate when their growth edge narrows and a wider field of strong executors emerges.
• Three structural tailwinds for Indian valuations: lower rates (less discounting), steady domestic savings flows into equities, and a much larger universe of fast-growing companies.
• Disruption produces few winners — one new entrant survives and thrives, most crash and burn, most incumbents get hurt, and only a few adapt. Execution is the whole game.
• His signature wins (Bajaj Finance, Varun Beverages, Paytm) share a pattern: a non-obvious moat the market underrated at the time of purchase.
• Self-aware weakness: he’s a buyer, not a seller — sold Navin Fluorine far too early, and his own partners flag it.

Claude’s Take

This is a high-quality interview undercut, mildly, by being a portfolio reveal dressed as a masterclass. Ved is clearly the real thing — 32 years, a genuine Bajaj Finance at 1,400 crore, the kind of track record that earns the right to be listened to — and the framework passages are excellent. The reframe on why HDFC Bank and Kotak have flatlined (markets pay for future growth, the field of good executors has widened, multiples expanded on falling rates and domestic flows) is the most genuinely useful three minutes here, and it generalises well beyond any single stock.

The BS filter flags two things. First, the format is a man listing stocks he already owns, with full disclosure stapled on. That’s not dishonest — the disclosure is repeated and emphatic — but the incentive is real: talking your book on national television to a sympathetic host. The picks should be treated as a window into his thinking, not a shopping list. Second, the timing is convenient. “Most of the bad news is in the price” is exactly what a long-biased manager says during every selloff; it’s true often enough to sound wise and wrong often enough to hurt. He hedges it properly (it all depends on how long oil stays high), which is to his credit.

The host is more cheerleader than interrogator — lots of “glorious career,” not much pushback — so you get Ved’s polished view without anyone stress-testing it. Worth watching for the mental models, especially the disruption/execution framing and the derating logic. Discount the specific tickers accordingly. A 7 — substance and a real practitioner, lightly compromised by the book-talking format and the absence of friction.