Oil Isn't Dead — John Love on Why Energy Markets Are Defying the Headlines

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John Love runs USCF, the firm behind the first US oil ETF. He sat down during a three-month stretch of Middle East war and argued that commodities are quietly the most interesting asset class around. The headline cases: there isn’t enough copper for the AI and electrification buildout and there won’t be for 15 years, oil has a floor under it because the whole world now wants to refill the reserves it burned through, and the AI capex frenzy will throw spending into metals and energy whether or not the AI business models ever earn their keep. He won’t call it a super cycle out loud — bad luck — but he thinks the next decade looks a lot better for raw materials than the last one did.

The Full Story

The copper shortage that won’t fix itself

The argument for copper is almost boring in how settled it is. The world doesn’t have enough, and even before anyone said the word “AI,” it didn’t have enough. Standard manufacturing, plus electric vehicles, plus the rewiring of entire power grids, plus data centres — they all run on copper, and new mines take a long time to dig.

“People, they’re saying 10 years, it’s probably more 15. Depending on your jurisdiction, it’s probably the rest of your life.”

That’s the long term. The short term is murkier, and Love is honest about it: the smartest banks can’t agree. Goldman says the market is in surplus right now, JP Morgan says it’s in deficit. When the people with the best data sit at opposite ends, you take the long view and accept the near term is noise.

One side note worth holding onto. “Dr. Copper” is an old piece of market folklore — the idea that because copper goes into everything, its price is a thermometer for the whole economy. A doctor with a PhD in where the world is headed. Love thinks the doctor has semi-retired. Copper has held up well even as parts of the global economy wobble, because its own supply shortage now drives it more than the business cycle does. The thermometer is reading the patient’s own copper problem, not the patient.

Gold and copper, both running, which makes no sense

Carlisle raises a genuine puzzle. Gold is the asset you hide in when you’re scared. Copper is the asset that rises when you’re confident. They’re supposed to move in opposite directions. Lately they’ve been rising together, and the ratio between them has dropped to levels you normally only see at the bottom of a real recession — 2009, 2016 — except the stock market shows no sign of any such thing.

Love doesn’t fully crack it, but he adds a piece. Gold has been confounding too. It hit an all-time high in January, then a war broke out — exactly the kind of event that should send it higher — and instead it drifted for three months. Yet the structural buyers haven’t gone anywhere: central banks bought a record amount in Q1, and not one G20 economy has stopped accumulating. So gold’s tailwinds are intact even when its price misbehaves. The honest read is that both metals are doing risk-on and risk-off at once, and the old playbook isn’t printing the answers.

Oil: the war that didn’t blow up the price

This is the section that gives the episode its title. Three months of Middle East conflict, the Strait of Hormuz — the world’s most important oil chokepoint — disrupted, and the doom calls were everywhere: $150 oil, $200 oil, any day now. It didn’t happen. Why not?

A few things at once, most of which nobody could see coming. The G7 did a coordinated release from strategic reserves. And — the detail Love clearly admires — China had spent three years quietly stockpiling oil, and now drew that stockpile down hard. It cancelled most of its own exports and leaned on what it had stored.

“One thing that we always discount is how creative industry can be in the face of crisis.”

He doesn’t read China’s move as a favour to Washington. He reads it as self-interest. Korea and Japan, lacking the same buffers, had to crush their own demand to cope — a self-inflicted recession. China had the headroom to avoid that, so it did. It just happened to help everyone else along the way.

Why oil now has a floor under it

Here’s the contrarian turn, and it’s the most useful idea in the hour. Everyone burned through their reserves during the scare. Now everyone has to refill them — and not just to where they were.

The US Strategic Petroleum Reserve sits around 350 million barrels, a level last seen in 1983 when it was still being built. Below roughly 300 million, it gets physically hard to pump the oil out at all — there’s a floor in the tanks, not just on the chart. America can sit where it is, just barely. The rest of the world got a fright and wants more cushion than before. Taylor’s instinct: countries will rebuild to 150% of where they ran before, and not only for crude — for diesel, gasoline, jet fuel, things many of them never bothered to stockpile.

All that refilling is demand. Refilling demand puts a floor under the price. Love’s number for the next year is an average around $80 Brent, dips to $70, spikes to $90 — and a small, smart detail: the US is rebuilding via swap contracts where you return 1.25 barrels for every barrel you borrowed, so the reserve grows back larger than it shrank.

The one thing that could push prices down is OPEC — but here Love flags something most coverage misses. OPEC has “raised” its output targets, but it can’t actually hit them. With Hormuz disrupted, production was shut in and oil got trapped. Saudi Arabia can pump about 7.5 million barrels a day right now against a stated ceiling of 10.25 — running 25% below its own target, and the rest of the Middle East is in the same hole. The announced increases are symbolic until the plumbing is fixed.

Natural gas: from a weather story to a demand story

Ten years ago the US exported no natural gas. Now it ships about 16 billion cubic feet a day, two-thirds of it to a Europe desperate to replace Russian supply. Gas is a byproduct of the shale oil boom, so America has absurd amounts of it, which has kept prices low and made the market mostly about weather — a cold snap spikes it, abundance crushes it. Traders call it the widowmaker for how it lures people in before a violent move wipes them out.

What’s changing is that data centres run on natural gas, and the AI buildout needs power. So the market is slowly shifting from a weather story to a demand story. Add a wildcard: Qatar’s massive LNG export facility was badly damaged, knocking out around 4% of global supply for years. That alone props up a floor under gas for the US, Australia, and everyone else.

The bamboo and the AI buildout

Co-host Jake Taylor’s segment is the sharpest stretch of the episode, and it isn’t really about commodities. The motivational-poster version of bamboo: you water it for five years, nothing happens, then it shoots up 90 feet in six weeks — patience pays off. The real version: it’s working underground the whole time, building a root system (a rhizome) that banks energy. When the shoot finally appears, its width is already locked in. It never thickens. How big it gets is capped by how strong the engine below it is.

“There has to be a real engine down there … that’s throwing off more than you feed it or you’re kind of just looking at maybe a ravenous hole in the ground eventually.”

Then he points the analogy at AI. Hyperscaler capex was over $400 billion last year, projected toward $4 trillion over the decade. Depreciate that over ten years and it’s $400 billion a year baked in whether revenue shows up or not — and ten years is generous, since the chips probably wear out in three to five, which doubles the annual bill toward $800 billion. To earn the returns these companies are used to, the buildout would need to throw off something like a third of all the profit in corporate America today, fresh, on top of everything already being earned. Current AI revenue is real money but a rounding error against $4 trillion.

The historical rhyme: canals, railroads, fibre. Every capital cycle ends in overcapacity — only 4% of dot-com fibre was ever lit — and the people who paid for the buildout usually don’t survive to enjoy it, even when the technology turns out to be world-changing. The twist for cynics: Q1 2026 saw Alphabet, Amazon and Nvidia book $69 billion in non-operating income, a 12% lift to S&P earnings, much of it from marking up their own stakes in Anthropic. Paper profits in a circle.

Love lived through the dot-com collapse and grants one real difference: today’s spenders are funding the spree from profits earned elsewhere, not from a Pets.com prayer. But he lands in the same place — at some point the market asks where the revenue is, and the more parabolic it runs, the sooner that reckoning probably comes. For commodities, though, the spending is good either way. The money flows into copper, silver, nickel, aluminium, gas — regardless of whether the AI dream pays off.

Where we are in the cycle

The early-2000s commodity super cycle, driven by China building everything, ended around 2010. Love thinks a new cycle has begun — smaller than the China boom, but real, driven by electrification, deglobalisation splitting supply chains into two less-efficient hemispheres, and the energy hunger of advanced economies. He won’t say “super cycle” out loud, half-joking that he doesn’t want to jinx it. His broad pitch: commodities are a ballast for a portfolio — they zig when everything else zags, as they did in 2022 — and occasionally they’re the main engine, as in the flat-equity 2000s. To the charge that owning commodities means betting against human ingenuity, he shrugs: ingenuity is one input among many, and it doesn’t run in a straight line up.

The off-the-run names he’s watching: cattle, with US herds at a 70-year low and a screwworm infestation creeping into Texas; uranium, as public opinion finally tips toward nuclear; lithium, already up 45–55% this year; and the reminder that the best trade of 2024 was cocoa, up 300%, which nobody outside the chocolate aisle was watching.

Key Takeaways

The copper deficit is now structural and decade-plus long; new supply takes 15 years, and copper’s price increasingly follows its own shortage rather than the business cycle (so “Dr. Copper” is a weaker economic signal than it used to be).
Goldman and JP Morgan disagree on whether copper is in surplus or deficit right now — a sign the near term is genuinely unreadable even with the best data.
Gold and copper rising together, with the copper/gold ratio at recession-bottom levels while stocks stay calm, is a live anomaly nobody on the show fully explains.
The $150–$200 oil doom calls failed because of a coordinated G7 reserve release plus China drawing down three years of quietly built stockpiles — China acting in self-interest, not as a favour to the US.
Oil now has a demand floor under it: everyone who drained reserves has to refill them, likely to higher levels than before, and across diesel/gasoline/jet fuel too. Love centres next year around $80 Brent (range $70–$90).
The US SPR sits near 350M barrels; below ~300M it’s physically hard to pump out. The US rebuild uses 1.25-for-1 swap contracts, so the reserve grows back larger than it shrank.
OPEC’s raised output targets are largely symbolic — Saudi Arabia can pump ~7.5M bpd against a 10.25M ceiling because Hormuz disruption shut in production. The whole region runs ~25% below target.
US natural gas is shifting from a weather-driven market to a demand-driven one as LNG exports (two-thirds to Europe) and data-centre power needs grow. Qatar losing ~4% of global LNG supply for years adds a premium.
AI capex math (Taylor): $4T projected over the decade would need to generate roughly a third of all US corporate profit, fresh, to justify itself; chip depreciation over 3–5 years (not 10) doubles the annual hit toward $800B.
$69B of Q1 2026 S&P earnings (12% of the index’s lift) came from Alphabet, Amazon and Nvidia marking up their own Anthropic stakes — non-cash, circular paper profit.
Commodities work as portfolio ballast (the 2022 and 2000s pattern); USCF’s broad-commodity strategy SDCI rotates toward whatever is scarcest on the supply-demand spectrum.
Watchlist of under-discussed commodities: cattle (70-year-low herds + screwworm), uranium (nuclear sentiment turning), lithium (+45–55% YTD); reminder that cocoa was 2024’s best trade at +300%.

Claude’s Take

This is a clean, no-hype conversation, which is rare for a commodity-fund CEO talking his own book. Love repeatedly says “I could be wrong,” names the analysts who disagree with him, and admits he hasn’t even looked at one of the ratios the host throws at him. That candour is worth a lot. The two genuinely useful, non-obvious ideas are the refill-demand floor under oil — a real second-order effect most coverage skips — and the point that OPEC’s announced production increases are physically fake right now. Those alone justify the listen.

The weaker parts are predictable. He sells commodities, so commodities are the answer to most questions, and the copper-shortage thesis is so consensus by now that it’s priced into everything; “everyone knows there’s a deficit” is usually the moment to get nervous, not bullish. And the deficit-and-inflation hand-wringing is standard-issue macro that adds little.

The episode’s best material is Taylor’s bamboo segment, which is the host’s, not the guest’s — a careful, numerate skewering of the AI-capex story that lands harder than anything Love says. The frame is honest: the technology can be world-changing and still bankrupt the people who built it, exactly as the internet did. Six out of ten — solid, sober, occasionally sharp, but more confirmation of a known thesis than a window into something new.