Who Is Building Indias Energy Empire The Inside Story Vartika Shukla The Core Report

this company has been part of or individually built in India some 91 refiner projects 12 major petrochemical projects 2133 Offshore platforms 51 pipelines including below the sea 45 oil and gas processing projects and 14 ports and storage projects and that’s not all this is not to mention the Breakneck Pace at which a lot of this has been done and some of the newer areas like data centers where it’s going headon with a lot of private sector engineering Consulting and manufacturing companies Engineers India limited is a government Global Engineering consultancy and project management company it was actually set up in 1965 and focuses mostly on the oil and gas and petrochemical industries vika Shukla is Engineers India limited chairman and managing director and joins me on this special show around the India energy week Set for February 11th 2025 she is a chemical engineer from I khur and is a veteran at the company she started her career as a management traine there in the process Division and has steered amongst other things and along the way the process design research and development and the entire engineering functions of the company which are critical for project implementation today she’s driving new initiatives of the company apart from her day job so to speak in the area of biofuels digitalization Energy Efficiency make in India and startup [Music] India M thank you so much for joining me U I’m I’m going to talk about engineers India Limited in a moment but this is also a company that you joined 36 years ago out of college that’s I khur as a chemical engineer so tell us about the first project or the very first project that you worked on and what was your role in it um thank you first uh goind for having me here and uh really 36 years been long and I still have very distinct memory of the first project that I took up or was given in Engineers India uh right out from College it was a different experience going straight to an industrial uh kind of a investment of the size that it was back then and the first project I looked at was uh recovering of uh the liquids basically which go into Petra chemicals and I worked uh for onc’s uran plant which uh was one of its kind in terms of treating the gas in terms of recovering the liquids for the then uh ipcl nagot project in fact we the first of its kind uh liquid cronic liquid pipeline in the country uh now of course we have uh several others but uh that was the uh breakthrough kind of uh work that uh Engineers India was always doing and uh I was privileged to be part of that first project right and and and I’m sure your career at least in the early days followed the growth of India’s oil and gas sector and and I’ll come to that in a moment but tell me about engineers India Limited so this is a company which to me sounds like the public sector equivalent of L&T but maybe in some of these areas predates L&T so how was Engineers India limited created what was its objective or what was it supposed to do sure so uh we are an equivalent in some ways but we are unique as well we are differentiated in several ways uh we are largely an engineering company we founded in 1965 we C celebr ating 60 years of uh building the nation working internationally uh our role primarily was to make sure that we were completely self-reliant in carrying out engineering work and in that I think we have surpassed the expectations there are many firsts that the engineers did in those times many first in terms of the scale of projects that we implemented and uh over these six decades uh not only in the nation but internationally we have left a mark of uh unique uh ability to assimilate new technologies many of them were first then are first now and also uh implement the size and scale of the project in terms of project management procurement uh the interlinkages of Technology uh looking at the skills which are required uh to make sure that uh the purpose of the investment is you know uh met uh at the at the best quality so that has been the Journey of the uh company and uh I have been uh associated with the journey uh as uh we have moved on from very simple refining capacities to very complex refining capacities now which uh very huge conversions of crude to motor fuels primarily also looking at very uh high pressure units which are uh safety oriented uh so such is the kind of transition that has happened and more and more as we see the industry it is becoming more and more complex in terms of integration with petrochemicals uh one of the most complex petrochemical units that we are implementing uh for one of our clients has uh the highest petrochemical intensity so I’ve been a part of many such projects and uh has have learned like other e team members uh as we have gone along grown uh both in uh terms of responsibility as well as in knowledge right in the organization and I’m going to come to that oil and gas Arc if if I can call it that but uh at the time that you joined e most of your classmates would have been headed out of the country so what made you stay back and do this yeah uh um yes in fact um as I recollect um one of my professors who was also my guide for my btech project was very annoyed at me as to why did I not choose that path uh on the same time uh when um when e came on campus for recruitment he made it a point that I appear for the interview because he thought that was a very good fit if I chose not to uh study uh outside but it was more from uh from right from there giving back uh working for the nation that was something which I was was very very clear about that and uh I’m happy that I have worked in uh a company which uh has also dedicated to 60 years to uh growing the infrastructure of the country to Bringing energy to the country uh bringing Niche products to the you know the country so uh let’s talk about the oil and gas Arc so 1970 oil was and gas was discovered of Mumbai or Bombay high and uh there was drilling Rags they were processed platforms that oil and gas was taken onshore to the project where you worked later on so uh and I would guess that a lot of the work that e has done has followed this Arc of oil and uh more oil being uh produced uh oil being refined and of course the country’s own energy needs kept growing as they continue to so tell us about what happened after after that uran project yeah so uh you know uh after the uran project we also did hazira for omgc uh where again there was gas treatment also uh more recovery of these valuable products essentially forend use of petrochemicals the pipelines Associated the hpj pipeline which was the first of its kind Mega project which we did in collaboration with dotel and uh now today we are completely self-reliant in you know executing such projects so that pipeline uh and though I’m sure many people would have forgotten so that’s ha Bap pipeline so the idea was to take gas that was found again uh in Mumbai where we are or just off Mumbai and take it right up to the north of India so you have industry which comes along the way and um so e built that pipeline yeah so we uh yeah we have had uh the uh consultancy and implementation of that Pipeline and as that pipeline uh you know brought gas to the industry brought energy to the uh interior of the country the spurring of Industries around it was uh basically an outcome of that uh and if you see even the pipeline Network today that we have uh for crude the um import facilities that we have for crude has built the refineries Inland and we have been part of it whether we look at Maura refiner of Indian oil or panipat refin of Indian oil Gujarat of course was the first indigenous crw Inland indigenous crw North Gujarat South Gujarat crude so we were instrumental in setting that up and uh even if you look down south the chinai petrochemical in fact our first Refinery project was Madras Refinery project that was the first time that uh we undertook um a project in refining and there were a lot of Technologies which we have also developed along with the research institutions like uh the wax Technology Loop technology which is again elements of the crude oil which actually go into various uh you know in the wheels of the economy in various bit not just the transportation fuels right so I know you have a certain Advantage because you are a government owned company and you may be working with other government owned companies but you still have to convince them that’s let’s say you talked about Lubes or lubricants so how do you convince someone that you are the best person to do something that you’ve not done before only because you’ve done other things which are somewhat analogous to this uh this particular project or projects like these so uh number one um we have to still fight our battle it’s not that we are a government owned company we we get to kind of into an advantageous position we get our advantage because we are differentiated from the others and why I say that is because um anytime that a new technology comes uh it takes a lot it takes an end to end understanding an end to end uh building of the supply chain uh let me give you an example uh when we look at uh the acrylate plant of bpcl which we executed in Kochi this is the first time that such a big capacity plant has come out which is a propine derivative plant and it brings in a lot of self-reliance for the country uh now this was a challenge for us as was for the client both in terms of building up of the vendor base to get an equipment from overseas to do some fabrication on site which has not been done before and it is the skills of uh all the elements of engineering which we have under our own umbrella uh that we made it happen another shining example is the second generation ethanol which we are uh completing in numar for our client abpl there in some of the materials which are used like uh there’s a lot of use of titanium and they aren’t any in the country so we as a company uh we are also committed to making India to bring up MSE vendors and we have developed these vendors to supply not just that even developed specifications another very interesting example is the Mongolia refinary we’re executing wherein we are looking at minus 40° temperatures in the permafrost and uh building specifications for that that needs strength that needs uh core understanding of the problem so many of our Engineers are part of asmi uh International groups who develop these standards and that is the strength that El carries on its shoulders so when we look at anything new we are very confident that we are going to execute it and that’s also a selling point right and and uh you’re saying Engineers India limited Engineers are in Mongolia in those temperatures right now yes yes they are so it must be a tough life for them oh yes it is uh of course they are fully equipped and uh in these times we do a lot of interior work like in the building inside the building uh minimal work is done outside because we finish most of our work before the winter sets in and then resume in March but there is a lot of other work that they Undertake and yes our team is there and definitely right so if I were to now go back again maybe three decades U it starts let’s say to some extent with oil and gas but I’m sure it progresses rapidly so tell us about what comes or in the eil story as you acquire more skills and more let’s say core competencies uh as you’ve gone now into let’s say ports uh and terminals so it’s very different from what you were doing in some ways uh 30 or 35 years ago so tell us about what what what else has eil gathered along the way in terms of these skills and if you were to bring it to the present how would you uh uh once again Define the landscape that you operated uh so over the past uh three decades um El has always been very resist resilient in moving in Uncharted territories and uh that strength has given us to move into infrastructure segment wherein uh we started our journey with some work around buildings and building um you know kind of uh Water waste water and and you know areas like sectors like that today uh when I see the um uh businesses that we are or the projects that we are executing we are looking at Data Center we are doing one of the finest data center in the country and previously we have executed data centers for SBI U uh Rajasthan state government so this is a certain uh Niche work that has developed out of the core competency of engineering uh similarly today uh our journey has resumed activity in uh nonfer Metallurgy in feris Metallurgy which again uh brings us uh brings to our clients the value of a endtoend solution so when we look at our company it’s from concept to commissioning so we offer Under One Roof the complete Services now over the years what has happened is we have done a lot of uh value addition in terms of um conversion of tet knowledge into our knowledge pool we have migrated to a lot of systems which are digital uh a lot of efficiency has come into the place a lot of smart engineering tools have been implemented to make sure that it’s more accurate it is more timely and uh you know it brings value to our customers and that Journey continues even today because uh engineering is evolving at a very fast pace now with the uh Advent of a lot of uh uh you know mathematical tools wherein we need to AI nml we need to keep Pace with that and that’s the biggest challenge right now how did you pitch or think of pitching for a data center project I mean was it something that came automatically in in terms of thought thought or is it something that was out of your comfort zone so to speak you know anything we do many times we do new I tell my teams it will always be out of comfort zone but it is if if we are not going to live up to those challenges we might as well just do the mundane things and stay there but that doesn’t give excitement to the team that doesn’t give excitement to the company so I’m a firm believer that even if we’ve not treaded that path before it is if not us then who that’s how we should look at it so when we look at data centers there is a lot of complexity in it it’s not it’s an amalgamation of the um cool I mean that’s the most important thing as also you have to make let’s say blast proof designs so which we do in control rooms in refiner petrochemicals you need to bring the chilling right you need to get the heat load right right which we also do in our control rooms and we have a whole team who does HW and you know the basically the fundamental designs uh moreover I think the bigger thing which what we bring as a team as a company on the table is offering Solutions when things are not going as per plan for example one of the recent project that we were executing typically you do a foundation first and then you do the roof but there in the soil conditions were such we did the roof first and then we went down so these are all innovative solutions that we get uh for example in Rajasthan Refinery that we are executing if you see the water below the sub water table bar is it bar it has three times the salt that the sea has so designing that unique Foundation it is only the strength of our uh multifunctional talent that we have uh which you know kind of brings it on the table and that’s what uh how we got into Data Center uh and uh moreover there is a lot of strategy also in the data center when you look at sock knock and building up these facilities you need to have the instrumentation team the IT team and there are many other uh functionalities which are involved uh in uh implementing that as well as interfaces between the uh providers of uh the racks as well as redoing maybe sometimes uh the clean Road rooms and the rooms where it’s fitted so this kind of edge that we have in comparison to uh a lot of other you know similar uh so you’re saying uh a team of Engineers who were working hypothetically in a refine building a refinary in Mongolia for example could next day be doing the same I mean building a data center outside Mumbai City uh not exactly the same but we have uh uh the way we structure our divisions there are uh discipline oriented there are subject matter experts in each of the elements and then there is cross cross functionality and we train the youngsters that we bring in into the team as much as you know a horizontal exposure that they can have they cannot change gears immediately we need to have uh maybe a senior level who actually is having that experience but we make sure we groom the others along with it so that the chain of uh knowledge you know continues in the company uh plus we do have specialized teams for this like there are certain departments who only take up special work they are not the run-of-the-mill routine work so we have those what’s another example of a non-routine project so uh let me give you an example with the the Dango Refinery which we’ve implemented for Nigeria it is a$2 billion project which has got commissioned uh last year uh we did a lot of Mone modularization there we talk of a lot of modularization to cut short the project time in the country that whole project is built on uh dredged land it is reclaimed land and a lot of uh designs of modular supplies went from India all the way there now that’s something which our teams uh for them it was a first time so uh the complete design looking at the um the weights the way uh you know what kind of budges will take them all those calculations how they will be taken off from the roro jetti how they so this whole element is again a very unique achievement of our team so there are many firsts which uh Define us and uh will continue to Define us as a different company right and I’m going to come to some of the present projects but before that you know uh an engineer who passes out today um would be would she or he be the same um let’s say or would the demands on his her or him be the same as they were at your time and and let me let me elaborate a little bit so uh I’m assuming the concept of engineering itself is changing let’s say if if you were to take automobiles uh today many people say cars are just computers uh on Wheels right so the concept of someone who’s an automobile engineer who studied internal combustion may not really matter so much or at least the let’s say the EV guys would like to say similarly in your world how how how have things changed I mean what what competencies as an engineer come with today and what do those do those competencies even matter and do they actually you know you just come here because you proved that you’re an engineer you’ve come out from let’s say IIT but now you’re going to learn something completely different because that’s what the world is asking for so times have really changed when I see some of the job closure reports that we did uh and our predecessors did it is simply amazing I mean it’s it is the calculations are in their hand impeccably written and uh and that’s the proof of the ability to Think Through each step to actually achieve uh you know the engineering output uh times are changed now you have a lot of softwares you have a lot of peripherals around you to actually deliver but then I also believe that a good engineer is required to interpret them you know it is not that uh you just feed anything and you get uh uh and you kind of design it so there is a lot of analysis which goes in which comes by training by experience so any new engineer which joined then would perhaps have and would even I have done a lot of calculations by my own hand the plus is that when someone brings it to me I can actually uh figure it out faster as to what can be improved uh so um as also I would say the projects that we did at that time were less complex and there was less pressure to finish in 24 4 months 30 months 36 months so there was a lot of thought which was puten in the initial stages of the project today we are working against time every project that we undertake has a lot of challenge to finish in less time because of a lot of Automation and a lot of uh you know software supported engineering which has come so the engineer today needs to get on board immediately and that’s what we do to our youngsters we put them on the job and we make sure that they uh learn uh whichever discipline they are but uh one very important thing is we post them at our sites uh initially itself so the the you know the understanding of the plant is extremely important for the industry that we are in what kind of uh complexity is H it has so when they go back and do their drawings they know that if they make a change what kind of impact it’ll have on site in terms of implementation construction that that kind of exposure helps making them a more grounded person and of course we have our seniors who are experienced in several projects who kind of look at the work that they do eventually do uh whether there are any mistakes uh mostly we are a very standard oriented company very procedure oriented company we are very strong systems so if anything goes wrong at one place there will be at at least five other checkpoints which can be kind of of uh make sure that things go back in the right direction uh but uh the time scale of uh you know kind of finishing everything is much faster now so that uh that brings us a challenge of course that we need to get it right the first time so let me put the question uh or let me supplement to that question so what are the additional skills that you’re looking for today which may not have been required or asked off uh let’s say two or three decades ago so what we need today is people with uh The Innovation people uh you know youngsters who are willing to move out of their conventional role take up challenges particularly like we have opened a digital uh Department a c you know about 2 and a half years ago and we need youngsters to come out and you know help in building that kind of strength and backbone for the company so we do look at uh now uh more of uh uh kind of redoing it at a faster Pace with more efficient efficiency uh with the same uh technical output we also look at um uh you know the youngsters who can groom themselves because today businesses are not just engineering businesses are all about relationship repeat clients are very important if we deliver right uh we are also looking at the skills of uh uh you know you know uh kind of um working around issues resolving them at a faster Pace uh rather than leaving so we need even the youngsters to have the ability to kind of sift through debate and find solution solution oriented uh teamwork which is uh far more required now because you have a lot of other distractions or lot of other engagements also we appreciate that and we we value that as well so um it’s a different uh role today but I’m happy to say that uh whenever we have challenged our young teams they have outshone and they have surprised us uh Beyond imagination so you talked about speed um and that’s an interesting point because uh and you’ve emphasized that quite a few times so why is it that let’s say people are demanding outcomes faster than maybe a few years ago yeah I mean that’s that’s so so if I was an owner and I put in investment in a project I would like it to come up at the fastest time because I why did I put it up I put it up because I wanted Revenue out of it I wanted a market share out of the product that I’m going to make I need to establish myself fast so from the owner’s perspective uh the faster it gets done it’s the best and uh and as fast as we can deliver is best for us also so it needs to be done at the pace that uh uh is uh you know world class or basically matches uh the world class projects that are you know get executed so you’re going faster because you’re meeting a global Benchmark or you’re meeting client requirements I mean or are both the same both both both because uh globally if we work like we have an office in Abu Dhabi and we have about 150 people who are posted there working for ADN uh we find that schedule quality and schedule are extremely important and that uh is also something which we need to give to our customers whether they are domestic customers or International customers it is important for them that we adhere to the timelines and that’s why they take us so uh it’s extremely extremely um sensitive to uh us being as their Consultants or taking up their contracts uh so this the the understanding this this kind of sensitivity is essential in each each and every uh employee of our company that it is a Time bound project we need to deliver on time and that’s what we emphasize all the way that uh look you have we have the resources that’s our job as management to give all the resources that are required but at the end of the day we need to meet the project schedule sure in the first so tell me about your current uh let’s say portfolio of projects what is a working on um in what areas what is near in completion what are the big projects that you have right now which you’re monitoring for example more closely so um uh in fact this year we have uh uh done very well in terms of order INF flow um last year we had an order inflow that means FY 2324 we had an order in flow of about 3,400 crores this year we have surpassed 7,000 crores and we haven’t ended the year now so we have got a great uh inflow and primarily these projects are in chemicals and we hope that we will build on this order and flow uh in by when we end this financial year uh there are also huge uh inflow in terms of infrastructure segment uh while these are our largest volume of uh order and flows and the projects that we are trying to complete uh and undertake in initial phases we have also entered in a small way in uh non-forest Metallurgy uh re-entered back I would say also entered in the steel sector uh the biofuel area the green hydrogen uh project that we have undertaken uh as well as internationally we have uh tried to expand our volume of business in the Mina region we are also present in gyana for the power PL power plant PMC uh looking at the nation again uh back again uh we see that we are very well placed in taking up complex Mega projects which um you know uh puts our experience on the table in the sense of uh uh the uh complexity and scale that we talk of uh wherein we are um having the experience of completed several projects uh for both the private sector and the public sector as also the complete supply chain that we have so we have uh a huge uh uh supplier list which we support the Indian industry to uh grow to kind of bring the capability which also are the backbone of the supplies that we get for these projects so this is how we are you know positioning and positioned ourselves so when you say petrochemical projects I mean that’s your current you said that’s most in the value side it’s it’s a large part so that also say suggests that petrochemicals as an industry is still growing I mean in it’s it’s I mean in terms of obviously therefore there is Downstream demand for petrochemical products and maybe that includes man-made fibers but yes but the whole sector is growing so uh does that say something about the economy itself or is it this is more a global phenomen in I think it’s most it is more specific to the nation because we have a per capita consumption of petrochemicals which is about 13 kgs or so and you see the average which is almost five times so there is huge scope plus if you see even the infrastructure segment which the nation is building whether you talk of water Pipelines you talk of fibers you talk of all the spread across uh uh you know every nook and corner of the nation all needs petrochemicals even the automotive sector that you talked of needs some of the petrochemicals whether you have ice or Lee it’s still required uh and there are so many segmental uh growth when you talk of paints when you have infrastructure you need paints you need aives you need solvents you need all of these and these are all petrochemical products so uh I see as we go forward most of the complexes which will be invested in will be potentially uh larger petrochemical base and less of the fuel base this is how uh I see uh going forward uh in terms of investment particularly in the hydrocarbon sector so what does that mean that means that we are not we are going to uh get the fuel from somewhere else and it will not be processed in the same location uh if you I mean can you explain that so so essentially when you look at petrochemicals you can have a variety of feed stocks you can have crude based feed stock which is NAFTA which is uh for example in panipat we are having NAFTA uh in um halia also we have Napa which is hpl also you could have ethane based uh feed strock which Reliance now operates and um you could also have condensates and there are some other elements of now when we look at refineries there are several other streams which can also go to the petrochemical which is called the refinery integrated heavily with petrochemicals like the pinepath expansion we are doing or we will be undertaking some more new projects or the Bea expansion for petrochemicals that we are undertaking for bpcl so these feed stocks are in integral but there is a lot of opportunity for putting up petrochemicals on feed stocks which are directly imported like ethane or ethane propane mixture or propane but mixture which is nothing but LPG or even light condensate or light crude uh based um depending on how we do the supply agreement for all these feed stocks uh which has more conversion than typically a crude based NAFTA based petrochemical so uh given that there is uh room for both the integration integrated petrochemicals to come up as well as uh uh light feed ethane based petrochemicals which will be a direct feed to the uh cracker and the downstream H and and how are you seeing the next one or two years I mean not too far into this thing so you still I’m assuming because these are long gestation project you see petrochemicals being a uh a core kind of part of your offering uh the newer areas I’m assuming includes areas like data centers which you’ve talked about is there anything in between that’s new and or upcoming that you’re seeing so uh we also see um space for for us particularly in the semiconductor uh you know move uh Investments which are going to be there wherein again similar infrastructure like the clean rooms uh you know give us an opportunity to offer uh the high-end services for uh this segment we are uh hoping to break through in that as well we are also trying our best to build back our capability in the um you know the mining and the mineral sector uh wherein again a huge opportunity will come which already we see uh the minds being uh you know kind of bid out and uh value addition happening there as well uh these are the two segment besides the ones that we want to continue to grow in uh I also see opportunity in a lot of uh academic institutions which are going to you know come up in terms of the scale and uh the quality that these institutions we look at uh we’ve just done uh one of the work for one of the iits to build up their campuses and I’m hoping that um in fact we doing this is not your Al no not my not my alma M and um we are just now doing the phase two for I am nagpur and uh so these are again the kind of um unique capabilities that we have and I I do see that uh we can stand apart and and uh we can do their engineering and project management very well so I’m going to ask you about the India energy week since that’s what’s brought us here but before I come to that what’s your most favorite project that you worked on for any reason it could be because of exposure for learning for excitement for technology complexity so I I remember very distinctly this was uh uh one of the first residue fluid uh petrochemical uh FCC which we call the fluid cataly cracking which cracks uh the uh feed stock to petrochemicals and this is the first time that we did that and I was part of the uh expansion for Mangalore refineries in fact we did two technologies there uh one is uh that’s the only one which is running in the country which is Koka gaso hydrotreater and this petrochemical Epsy there were two prochemical epes going on at the same time and I was part of the team to do the other and believe me it was um uh extreme difficult to select the technology uh and uh carry out an evaluation an assessment and equally tough to actually implement it because there are very many nuances of the technology which were not done before and the uh excitement was to give a solution so that I was I uh worked in the process division which was basically a core technical division uh to give the fastest solution to the project manager and that used to be a race between uh my team uh which I headed and the project uh you know executive director and uh the way we uh tailored our specification to get in multiple bids for a particular equipment to get competitive codes to solve issues which were happening at site solve things for the first time those were really exciting days in a very tough environment if you have seen Mangalore Refinery it is very tough it is built on several levels and uh it’s not an easy site to execute and uh that was something which is impressionable in terms of the solutions that we provided to uh you know make it happen right wonderful to hear that so uh the India energy week brings uh everyone in the energy space at India so what are you looking out for uh when you go into an event or a or a or or yeah an event like this so uh first of all uh it’s it’s great to be part of uh I mean the Third Edition is going to be the uh you know the largest conglomerate of mins both from the nation and uh International U you know experts as a company what we are looking for is one to Showcase what we can do uh although we are known but it’s never uh never uh enough to explain uh the value that we can bring on the table we are also looking at uh showing our Solutions towards sustainability and to give an example we are implementing the geothermal uh airport for Lay for Airport Authority which is going to use geothermal for floor cooling which is the first time so we’ll be showcasing some of our unique capabilities again this is done for the first time we also showcasing some of the associations we we have in the space of um uh solar energy the solar CSP which will be uh now the next gen in terms of solar power and uh solar use of thermal solar thermal I would say so we have a tie up with an Australian company solar CSP uh Sunrise CSP which is also again some of our unique uh offering we are also implementing the first bio ATF for sustainable aviation fuel uh plant for uh one OFA clients we’ be showcasing that as well so what we want to project essentially is that we are an oil and gas company but we are uh uh we are there in the space of Sustainable Solutions that’s how our tagline goes that’s how our vision goes that we will give an integrated Energy Solutions uh to uh uh our customers uh that’s one of the major uh pictures that we want to make in India energy week besides the fact that if you want robustness in Technical Solutions you want robustness in executing Mega complex projects we have it all under one umbrella that’s a pitch uh we also have a makeing India Pavilion there which we anchor for the last two years as uh um you know building up the industry uh of the country this year we have about 51 suppliers who are inded with us and they will be showcasing uh many firsts which have come up in terms of manufacturing in the country and this together kind of brings us in a very uh kind of integrated manner as a total solution company to uh our customers sh it was pleasure speaking with you thank you so much thank you very much Goen thank you 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