If You Hack The Code Of Reality You Become God Dr Melvin Vopson

TITLE: If You Hack The Code Of Reality, You Become God | Dr Melvin Vopson CHANNEL: The Peter McCormack Show DATE: 2026-05-14 ---TRANSCRIPT--- This is the insane thing. There is no training. There is no code line. There is no machine learning. There is no AI. There is no data training. There is nothing. They just loaded the brain structure into a simulated fly and he started to behave like a real one. He woke up into a digital construct and in this very moment there is a fly looking for food and nobody programmed it to do this. It just did it. Let’s assume hypothetically that these guys Eon systems and they map a human brain entirely and they load it into a simulation like this. What exactly wakes up in there? The science points to a computational process governing the universe. The golden rule who’s got the gold makes the rules. Yeah, they have behind the big atomic weapon. Yeah, you control the planet. But if you hack the code of reality, if you hack the simulation, you control the universe. You you do what you want. You really have no limit. What does it actually mean?

It means you have access to the the the code of reality. You can bend reality. You can bend the laws of physics. You can do things that are they appear like magical in in our everyday life. You become God. You become God. Right, Melvin. What is it about life that feels artificial to you? It doesn’t actually feel artificial to me, but um this has been an issue for millennia. Um deep thinkers, philosophers have suggested long ago, more than 2,000 years ago. And I have in mind Plato Aristotel the idealism you know this philosophical idea that nothing is real and uh it’s only the mind and consciousness that um creates and renders reality. So this is this is something as old as human civilization that there are ancient traditions and mythologies that actually talk about um uh this um world being something not real. So the the in um uh Hinduism for example um you have the concept of Maya um describing the world as an artificial um illusion sort of thing something that is not real. Uh Buddhism talks about u similar um ideas. Um gnostic traditions they describe um the universe as a um construct where consciousness is trapped and is is not real. And then you have aborig um um aboriginal um um tribes in Australia. uh they they were um describing the world as a um a mirage or as a dream of ancestral beings and we are in that dream. So this gener is projected that the entire universe by these ancestral beings dreaming and we are in it. So the the question is is is not what I think is what all these uh mythologies and ancient traditions and and cultures why they all talk about world being something uh not real. But you think we’re in assimilation. I was never actually interested in this in this topic. He came totally by accident while doing research in information data storage um technologies materials for data storage and I I was lucky enough to discover some things but it has implications into so many branches of society, science, philosophy everything even religion it even on the religion beliefs. What was that moment? What was that moment where you clicked? It was a progressive um transition from so I I was working on this very applied piece of research and I had to understand how to allocate these memory states to um the device that I was working on and no idea I uh I learned about Shannon’s information theory that was developed in 1940s and he was working on a communication theory. He was looking at the most optimal way of transmitting data from A to B in a noisy via noisy channels and so on. He came up with something called information theory. This is the father of digital computing. He is the guy who gave us the unit of a bit of information. Okay. So we measure data in bits. It comes from Shannon and uh specifically from something called information entropy that he developed a formula to calculate a measure of information entropy that it gives you something that is quantified in bits of information. So those are the units. Now coming from a physics angle and listen hearing about entropy and information entropy. Immediately the the the a couple of red lights start flicking and clicking in my brain and you know connections forming and um I started to look into um this uh notion of entropy of information and then looking at the entropy of physical systems that we use in physics all the time and finding synergies between these two concepts and and looking at um how we can um bring physics into computing and information theory and digital technologies and create something called information physics. Help me understand what you mean by information physics cuz for me I think of information as things I have stored in my brain and things that exist on a computer. Yeah, that’s what I think of. So um what it means is looking at information as a physical entity. Okay. Okay. It’s a thing. So so when you say you your brain you I I suppose you mean your thoughts and your your ideas and your imagination and memories and Yeah. Are those and the the fundamental question is are those physical entities or are they just some kind of gazi nothing some entity some abstract something like ether or some like nothing okay are they physical? That’s the question. Is information itself physical? So we live in a physical universe. This table, what is phys? This table is physical. This glass of water is physical. You are physical. I am physical. The air we breathe is physical. Everything is and we are part of the universe. And we are all subjected to the laws of physics. Okay? Because we are in the physical universe. But your brain and your thoughts and my thoughts and my ideas and anything you create information whether is digital or other forms of information are they not part of the universe? They are not outside the universe. They are they are physically existing in the same construct that we operate. But I understand a table is a physical thing. Yeah. And I understand this microphone is a physical thing. How do I see a piece of information? How do I understand that as a physical thing? Like in my brain, I don’t know how the brain works. Yeah. But my brain has a way of storing memories. So it’s storing information. Now on a computer, we know it stores that as on Yeah. memory devices. Memory devices as you know bits of information. So assuming the brain does a similar kind of thing to store information. We don’t have a clear understanding how the brain stores information at the moment, but it it does. It’s a biological computer. It stores data. It processes data. It does computation and so on. Yes. How is that physical? Okay. So, let’s assume you want to build a house. Okay. To to build a house, what do you need? You need you need some kind of blueprint, don’t you? Yes. You need some kind of designs. Uh where do they come from? They come from So, let’s say you are the architect. Let’s say you are the arch. It’s your your um um vision of building your dream house. Okay, you do a grand design sort of design. You you want to build a house and it starts with your vision in your mind. You start creating a vision. Well, I think it’s how the house is going to look, how many floors you are going to have, what the garden is like, what kind of you know compartment compartment, you know the the rooms in inside the house, how do you distribute them and the sizes and all that. It comes from your brain and from your vision. Is that is that real or not? That’s the question. So that house does not appear by itself. It will never a house will never build itself. A house has to be first thought and not just a house. That’s an abstract. You know this book um this table was designed by somebody. Okay. So this existed first in someone’s mind. That microphone was designed by somebody first in their mind. It was a engineering design and then it went into a production line and it became a microphone. But initially and behind that there are even Nobel Prize discoveries probably in there. You have the you know conversion of sound waves into electricity and so all these modulation all the the science that goes into a simple device like the mic but they are not coming from nowhere. They are the product of intelligent design. They are the product of your mind and the mind. So the question is that is that real or is not real because if you say it’s not real it means a house comes from nothing or this microphone came from nothing or this table came from nothing they don’t come from nothing they come from real things from mind from information from creation from information and this is a not only is real in my book and my papers I talk about information as the fifth state of matter. Okay. So, we have solid. Yeah, that’s stable. We have gas is air and other things. Okay. All the gases. We have plasma. Mhm. That’s like the sun for example. Gas. Um, so liquid right here. Okay. Four states of matter that we are aware of. Okay. The fifth one I call it information. And it’s not just the missing the the fifth element. If you if you’ve seen the movie for example, the idea in that movie was exactly this. The fifth element was information encoded into the genetic makeup of this beautiful lady that was reconstructed from from the genome. Um it was information. The fifth element was information. And so what I’m saying is that the fifth state or matter is information and is perhaps the dominant and the the governing form of matter in the entire universe. In other words, before anything appears, before anything manifests or exists or takes shape, there is an information under layer and from there this um the rest of states of matter uh emerge and the creation of life is the merging of pieces of information. Exactly. But if we get into that the life itself. So that is a very strong point you are making there. I’m going to come back to that in a second. I I just want to make another point on this. It’s not just me saying this is John Willer is the legendary physicist. He worked on Mahhata project and this he’s is just a legend in physics. Okay. He is the guy who coined the the the the phrase eat from bit. He wrote in 1980s about information being the fundamental um aspect of the entire universe. Um he said that everything emanates particles fields everything from choices of one and zero. Yes. No. Um up down this everything can be reduced to this probabilistic um states of information either this or that and you can reconstruct the entire mathematics the physics laws of physics everything. Digitize the universe if you want um eat from a bit. Um and that if you extrapolate a little bit is it suggests that the entire universe is some kind of construct which has an informationational sub layer that some kind of computational construct. So the your very first question was why do I believe we live in a simulation? I I I never researched that and I’m not quite saying that. I’m saying that the the science points to a computational process governing the universe. That could mean a simulation, but it could also mean some other explanations. For example, uh a universe computing itself. Okay? Like working like a giant computer and computer is nobody doing it. It’s just that’s how it works. But what he means he means the laws of physics and mathematics and everything they are not the most fundamental things to explain the universe is computational rules and code that are actually governing everything and these are emerging from these computational rules that’s what I’m saying if things contain information DNA is information right we are informationational systems we’re information system it’s not just the whole body is informationational but we have another informationational component in in our brains is a super advanced biological computer with data storage processing and everything. So if I provide the sperm and my partner provides the egg, we’re both providing information which is merged to create life. Yeah. But the that so this is evolution. Okay. So we are looking at evolution. The question is how is the chicken and egg question. Okay. how the first cell living cell or the first unicellular organism came about, how the first DNA came. I mean, if you sit down and and work the probabilities of even some modest amino acid um yeah being formed randomly by random mutations in this in this soup of inorganic chemicals. Okay, randomly, okay, until some modest amino acid appears and it clicks in place that it does a function that is meant to do. Okay, it will take longer than the age of the universe if you have a mutation. I think a second or a mut something like a mutation I have in the book this I don’t remember the exact numbers but if you have a mutation taking place every second something like it will take longer than the age of the universe to even form the most basic RNA something structure is so what I’m saying here I’m saying that it speaks we talk about we talk about we talk about evolution here but we also talk about intelligent design we talk about creation Okay. So, which one is which? Okay. You talk to church people, they will say creation. Of course, you talk to science people, they will say, “Oh, is evolution is Darwinism.” All right. What I’m saying is that they’re both true. I’m saying that that there was a process of seeding. There was a process of initial um state uh being created. the rules set in place and then let it go and evolution took took over and then we see the complexity that we see today and the the the world the way it is the universe the the the life forms and everything else but there was creation at the point of creation at some point there was intelligent design but that also has its own chicken and egg who created the creator it’s Yeah, the it’s an epistemic sort of you you you don’t you kick the car down the road. You you are not answering you are just shifting the problem somewhere else. Okay. Is not telling us where we come from, what was before, why do we exist rather than why there is something rather than nothing. All these questions um what’s conscious consciousness and all that stuff. um you don’t get an answer by saying there is a process of creation or there is a simulation. You don’t you just move the post into another location and then the the same questions remain actually because you move exactly the same framework and questions to the next the next location like who who what was before that or who is that okay that entity that seeded the I and we may never have an answer to this um but to say that things came about randomly um you know well you it there are two possibilities either that the that there were it’s infinite number of trials in other words universes like a universe formed D nothing happened the probabilities didn’t click in place nothing happened there is no life there is no the universe is not stable the the plan constant is not the plan constant the speed of light is a bit off the and that doesn’t work next Another universe appears, another big bang, another again I I can’t tell who creates these cycles and why these things happen. But you can imagine zillions and zillions and zillions of times this process taking place until boom a perfect universe appears where all the constants are in place. It’s prime for you know occurrence of life, biological life forms, intelligence. You either think that that universe attempted itself to form so many so many so many infinite times very large number of times until probabilistically is non zero. Yeah, it’s non zero. Is like saying hey I have a lorry with bricks and I’m going to throw the bricks out of the lori one by one and they will arrange themselves into a house but there’s nobody there. There are no builders, no workers, no engineers, no I just randomly threw the bricks out of the I’m not even looking. I’ll free them like this and then by the time I finish I turn and there is a house behind me. So that’s that exactly this is what I I’m saying. And guess what? There is a non-zero probability this is possible. If you do this an infinite times at some point you are going to get the last brick in the right place and maybe get a house. Is this because the rules of physics are so finely tuned? If you if you make slight changes, everything collapses or doesn’t work. Not only the physics, but in biology, it’s almost statistically impossible to have life appearing by itself. The the evolution is fine and is true and there is evidence of that. But the the the start the that first the seeding thing that the spark the initial spark that we can’t really explain. Um, so you either have this brick throwing and building a house so many times until it just happened or there is somebody who says, “Hey, I have a design here, a blueprint. I’ve got a couple of brick layers behind me. Give me brick by brick and I’m going to build a house.” It’s either that or is accident. Now you choose. You do the math. I believe it’s a design. I believe it’s not an accident. 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What kind of designs you you come up with to to understand where you are and what’s what’s your universe and what’s your reality. And so this is a very um is Mission Impossible 3.0 is really really hard to crack. Okay. So what what you can do you can um you can start with some assumptions. Okay. So if the the let’s start with the assumption that this is indeed a computational and I’m not calling it a simulation. Again I call it some kind of computational process that runs the universe. Okay. So let’s assume that this is indeed the case. Sorry it’s the opposite of being computational. It’s random. the were just physical things existing without any yeah just random just random like if you look at the if you look at the cosmology and the the way they describe the universe starting from big bang and they don’t tell you why why there was a big bang what triggered the big bang what was before that they can’t even tell even because that becomes a singularity all the equations collapse at that that singularity point. The physics doesn’t work, the mathematics doesn’t work. So they they can’t really answer. So whether you do a religious doctrine or you do cosmology, you you you you everything originates at some point with an assumption or some kind of belief that but there’s rules like this phone is a computer and it has rules that it operates under and so does the universe. We have the speed of light, plank length, we have various there are rules and who gave those rules where where do they come from? That’s that’s exactly and and it’s not just that is the symmetries in universe. The universe is um uh abundant in symmetries um at all scales from subatomic all the way to galaxies. Okay, symmetries popping up everywhere in biological life in um symmetries in the laws of physics. Everything is everywhere is symmetry. And the universe is meant to evolve into a u the second law of thermodynamics dictates that the universe should evolve to more chaos, more disorder. That’s the the the the governing law that tells how the universe should evolve. Okay? And yet we see complexity and symmetries popping up everywhere. So where do they come from? Richard Fman famously um said um nobody knows where symmetries come from in nature. No no. So in one of the papers that I published in 2023 I believe it was um the second law of information dynamics. I found that um so this this is where these ideas of a computational construct and simulate universe came from because I found a a new law of physics essentially that governs the the entropy not of physical states but the entropy of information states and one one the while the entropy of physical states states that they should evolve into more chaos and more disorder. What I found is that if you uh probe the entropy of physical states, they tend to evolve to more order and more uh and less disorder. Okay, so they go exactly in opposite direction to the entropy of the physical states as in almost like a balancing process. Okay, so there is something that evolves one way, the other one pulls the other way but they create adapt to create to create equilibrium and what is that equilibrium? They need to fulfill the the the condition that universe doesn’t doesn’t exchange heat or energy with anything else because it’s either infinite with no boundaries or is not exchanging heat with anything. It’s it’s just this is what it is is what you see is what it doesn’t have. It’s like saying this glass okay exchanges heat with the environment around it. The environment around this room exchanges heat with the building, the building with the central London, center London with the whole London and so on and so on. But the universe it has no boundaries. No even if it’s closed it will not exchange with anything. If it’s infinite and no boundary you will not. So to fulfill that condition you need to have entropy constant. Entropy increases all the time. We know that. So that means there is a a component in the entropy balance that is missing to balance the increase in the entropy. And that’s what I found. I found that entropy is information entropy. What’s the implication of that? The implication is that um the universe appears to optimize itself. It appears to reduce the information content. You optimize just like um anything that looks for efficient like compression compression uh computational um power data storage all these things are uh built in into the fabric of the universe and that indicates some kind of computational process with limited power and limited resources. That’s why the speed of light is the maximum speed of interaction. you can um read into that as the maximum computational processing power of the universe if you want. you cannot um just like a processor you you buy a laptop or a desktop and it says the processor is CPU 3.7 GHz and you cannot run faster than that because that’s the limit of the processor and then and then if you’re over if you overpower the processor if you overload the processor as opening too many applications what is the the effect of that the the computer slows down hold on what would the implication of there being no upper bound limit for the speed of I I I’m I’m making exactly that point. So to to understand for your viewers, just think of your computer and start opening up so many applications and running so many um um programs at the same time that you overload the processor. It slows down. It slows down. They everything works. Even a mouse doesn’t doesn’t work properly. Everything slows down. Well, this is what we see with the speed of light. Um the the and sorry with the time around very large uh mass objects like black holes time stops completely. Okay. There is no flow of time. There is it slows down because the universe cannot process. Hold on. That’s dilation. Sorry. That’s time dilation, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that that that’s exactly what the computer does when you overload the processor. That could be explained. And and um so is that how Mario escapes? Does he need to overload the processor? I’m not sure what what you mean by that. You we were talking about the billion dollar question. How do you beat it from within? Do you need to So that was the question. How do you So I I I was trying to explain that um it’s just Peter is um asking very good questions in in between the questions. So I don’t I don’t get to finish the question but but coming back to that how you do it. So you you need to start with an assumption and let’s assume that yeah there is some kind of computational process that powers the universe. So you are the Mr. Mario you want you are inside and you make this assumption that you are in a program. How do you prove that? Okay. And there are two ways to actually in my view there might be other ways but in my view there are two ways. One is to look for evidence of the code from within the code. Okay. And another one is to look for data that powers the code that there must be a lot of data all the variables the program itself all the things that you store the information that makes this um um code function. So there are two things that you can look data large very large uh large amount of data somewhere find evidence of that or the code itself. Now I think I found both. So the um or or or evidence of both not the evidence but strong evidence for both. One of them is the second law of information dynamics universe compressing data optimization of data u lowering the information entropy in everything including biological life by the way. Okay. Why do we have a universe dominated by symmetries instead of chaos and asymmetry? Cuz symmetry is compression. Yes. the if you take any ukidian geometric shape and you take one that has zero symmetry and you compute information entropy of that shape you get a value and if you take the same structure but you make it fully symmetric okay so let’s say a square okay you take a quadrilateral that has no symmetry whatsoever all the angles are different all the sides are are different you me you compute the information entropy of that you get a value and then you make it into a square you optimize it. You make it perfect square. Compute the information entropy you get another value always lower the high symmetry always lower than and if you take a trapezoidal which is lower symmetry than random shape. Okay. But not as high symmetry as a square that has a little bit higher information entropy. But the lowest is always the highest symmetry is the lowest. So then it shows that the universe optimize itself. It’s is is coming back to that brick thing. I like to use the bricks. It’s like a computer, right? Our comput like when we want to send files to each other, what do we do? We zip them. We compress them. We’re always looking for efficiency. Exactly. To make these operate well. And what you’re saying to me, correct me if I’m wrong, is that you’re finding patterns of compression of information in the universe, which is what you would if you would if you’re design like if you’re designing a simulation on a computer and you run that simulation is Sin City or or what’s the one that you play with the shooting game? GTA. No, but there you every game designer is looking for compression. Compression of information. Like when you’re in GTA and you’re going around shooting, it only creates the world that you need to see. Everything else doesn’t exist. So if you So that’s this exactly. So if you write a code, if you write a code, you you write things to execute in the code that you are interested in executing and you can have added own things there that do complete random things that are not necessary. Those will consume extra power, extra processing power, extra energy, extra, you know, memory states and all that. You want to remove them. you want to optimize and this is not just this is not just uh me seeing this uh there were studies in ’ 70s there was this guy that took a bacterial um um RNA structure okay and um he isolated he he sequenced that genetically sequenced that okay and then he isolated that bacterial organism okay into an optimal environment proper like imagine a human with proper food properum ination, proper oxygenation, everything that you need, roof, everything conditions to thrive. Okay? So, he’s not um um suppressed of any anything that he needs to survive. Okay? But he kept it isolated into that environment. Okay? For 74 generations. And then he sequenced each generation the the the genome from 4,500 base points characters. shrunk to something like 200 something 218 or some something like more than 95% of the genome deleted itself is like that software I was telling you about if you have a so in other words that bacteria removed everything that it was garbage in its own code and optimized itself while maintaining all the functions. This is it. This is the the data optimization stuff. But in 2012, James Gates from Maryland University, he was researching with his team um string theory. Okay. And they found in the equations of the string theory, they found um uh some uh in the structures of those equations, okay? I’m not doing string theory myself, but in the structures of those equations, they found evidence of error correcting code. Okay. So there you have it. If the point is that error correcting code or data compression or all these things um information theory Shannon yeah they have been developed for um communication theory computation digital technologies digital computation they have never been developed for fundamental physics. Why these things are popping up into physical processes and fundamental physics when they were developed okay for communication theory, computation, uh information theory and other other fields unless the entire universe has an underlying sub layer which isformational and it operates in a in a on a similar principles. This is that that was the point I was trying to make. Yeah, let me just summarize and see if you’re following me here, Connor. But so again, computer design, software design, we’re always looking for the compression of information to make things more efficient because power and time and energy because of the limitations of computers and also in our own life, we we we try and put compression into our own life. You know it can be the microwaving a meal or having a high calorific milkshake or you know I don’t know things we’re trying we’re always trying to compress our own life that is trying to make things more efficient but if the universe itself is random why would there be a natur why would there be efficiency built into it? Why equilibrium compression equilibrium is always minimum energy? Why is efficient efficiency into everything? Does that make sense compression? Yes. Yeah, it does. Um but I really I really want to get back to the billion dollar question. Yeah. You think you need to find two things. You think evidence of the code and I think is not I didn’t find the code but I found something that points to this computational process optimization process that we would be related to code. Okay. Yeah. And then the second thing is evidence of the data itself. Okay. If there is some kind of computation or a code, it should be large amount of data that makes that kick data. Large amount of data. Where is that data? Okay, take a look at the universe. We know only about 95% of the visible universe. We know about 5% what is made of. Everything that we see with telescopes and the the visible matter, the stars, the planets, the gases, the everything we see in the universe makes up about 5% of the universe. 95% we have no idea what is made of. Cosmologists and astrophysicists, they call it dark matter, dark energy. Okay? They just made up names for things that are missing, but they are dominant. 95% Okay. Roughly. Roughly. Yeah. Makes up this. And we have no idea what they are. the the the the two components are required for different reasons. Okay. One is for the the expansion of the universe, the accelerated, one is for the stability of the uh galaxies and the rotational curve of the galaxy. It’s actually what Mike is is working on on some of those things. So um and and what I’m saying is that what if the my 2019 article mass energy information equivalence principle proposes that information is not just physical but he can have mass and if he has mass and if we are in a computational construct you would make sense that the dominant part of this computational construct is code and data and if he has mass then maybe that 95 % that we have no idea we are Mr. Mario inside the the construct and we look at the when you look at the universe you look at the code actually you look at the the code running in the universe okay maybe that 95% is actually the code so dark matter is the code dark matter dark well that I I actually gave a number in 2019 paper roughly 10 ^ 96 uh bits of data will make up all the missing dark matter all right let’s talk to you about my sponsor leen now if you’re borrowing against your bitcoin there’s one thing that matters more than anything else is it actually safe? Well, Leen have just dropped their lowest rates ever. 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So if you want to prove this if you want to prove this because you said what experiment would you do? Okay. Yeah. I even crowdfunded for an experiment at some point. Okay. I made 2% or something of the target money. But you need you need serious money to do it. Okay. The experiment was to look um uh to to to develop a protocol to test this mass energy information equivalence um principle to show that information has mass. And I designed a few protocols to actually do that. Okay, if you can do that, it’s game over because that will click into everything. You will explain so many unknowns in physics. So many and you will also underpin this simulated universe. Um I think it was Elon Musk who said recent was it Elon Musk who said recently if I can answer one question, he wants to know what’s outside the sim simulation. What’s on the other side? Yeah. Yeah. because he’s a smart guy and he knows he knows there are a couple of billionaires in Silicon Valley working actively on simulation um research into the simulation theory. They try to understand what’s on the other side and also how to break out of this maybe hack the simulation if that makes sense. I mean, I get what they’re saying, but what does it actually mean? It means whoever does that is not just it’s almost a national security matter because whoever does that, it controls not just the planet, it controls the universe. It means you have access to the the the code of reality. You can bend reality, you can bend the laws of physics, you can do things that are they appear like magical in in our everyday life. uh but you do it because you control the the underlying code of the of reality. So the the big countries, you know, the security council and all the the big the big guys, the big players that make the rules, you know, the golden rule who’s got the gold makes the rules. Yeah. They have behind the big atomic weapons and all the big guns. Yeah. Yeah. You control the planet. But if you hack the code of reality, if you hack the simulation, you control the universe. you you do what you want. You really have no limit. Do we know? So I think there are people very rich people that are looking at this from curiosity, scientific um drive, but also life extension, life extension, um you know, like achieving a form of immortality or whatever. And and perhaps even for the reason I just told you, you know, if you if you have access to the code, you become God. You become God. You you you have access to the creation, the code of creation. So, well, I also think once you become God, things become quite boring. I don’t know how many games you play, but like there are certain games where you can change the code of the game to give you more lives, less lives, easier stats, all that stuff. Once you clear all the basic code of the game and you’re basically immortal, the game becomes very boring quickly because I’m kind of thinking about the the game is life. Life is struggle. Yeah. It’s a bit like how um I think Tell me if this is a good analogy, Connor. uh fast wealth growth can be interesting. You know, suddenly becoming rich and the doors it opens, but eventually even rich people have the same miseries that poor or average wage people do because it once you have access to everything like you need something else. You need always something else to do something. So to answer your question, I think the the the key is that you are the game becomes irrelevant because you step outside the game. That’s that’s the idea. So you are you you become an outsider looking into the game if you want or change the the rules in the game and you entertain yourself maybe or for a lack of a better word I I yeah I don’t like the analogy to games because I think it’s much more sophisticated than game or entertainment or is whatever is is happening is there is a purpose to it. All right. When you talk about purpose you you said the religion is right and Darwinism is right. Yeah. But I think you say that knowing they’re right about the process but not the the head of who’s running the process. Whereas I think most people are always just trying to find out they don’t care really about the process. They’re trying to work out who’s in in charge of it cuz they want to know the purpose. Am I a good human? Because then I’ll be rewarded in the afterlife because God is the creator. Or you get to next level. Yeah. So without knowing the purpose, is there much more to this than just being a game? And if you look at religious texts, they call it a game. If you look actually at the Quran itself, and the reason I’m saying that is because I found in the the Christian Bible, I found little paragraphs and quotes. So the the reason I’ve been looking into that is um saying that we might be in some kind of digital construct or simulating we don’t know what is the operating software or what is this the you know what what system they use what programming we don’t we we we assume is digital because that’s what we do or quantum or something but it could be something that we can’t even imagine what what is running this all right but on this occasion I had to look at the Bible a little bit all right so I was when you do that just like with the scientific um um theories and physics and mathematics. When you look at these from the this simulation angle or information physics if you want and when you do the same with the religious texts then you you start seeing things that maybe they were overlooked. So what I found I found codes in the Bible that actually tell us not only that we are in the simulation but they appear to tell us who is doing it. Okay. So the the John 1:1 he opens with this powerful um paragraph uh vers uh in uh maybe I’m miscoding some words. How do we bring it up? Should we get it up? Yeah. At the beginning um uh it was the word and word was with God and God was the word. Okay. All right. Here we go. So John 1:1. So let me explain what uh Yeah. Yeah. In in the beginning was the word. That’s the one. Okay. And the word was with God. Yeah. And the word was God. So let’s look at that paragraph now and together. Let’s change. If you bring that up one more time, please. We got the full thing. So there you go. No. No. I need only that. Okay. Only that. I don’t need anything. I only need that. Look at the word. Okay. And change. What? What? When you say word, what is that? That’s code. Okay. Okay. Information my that that exactly that’s the to me the meaning of that. Okay. That the the religious scholars, philosophers and all that they will interpret that as something else. Okay. But to me word is code because when you when you write a computer code you you use words and syntax and everything and logic and you create a code. And now let’s read that with a code instead of word. In the beginning was the code. It was the code. In the beginning it was the code of the simulation. Yeah. And the code was with God. God being the creator, the pro the creator, the programmer, the the whatever. And word was God. What does he mean? Code was God. What does he mean? That’s the most powerful thing that really struck me. It means that God is an AI. The only way that the code is God and God is the creator of the code and it’s only that an AI created everything and AI was the code and it was the creator and God read again in the beginning it was the code the code was with the creator but the code was the creator that means the code that means the code is an AI so let’s not turn this into a religious uh thing I all I’m trying to say is that when I I when I said these things. Okay. The my intention was to show these um religious people not just Christians that actually the saying that there is a creation and there is a simulation and is actually not antagonistic to religious beliefs is actually very synergetic is he shows that there is a creator. He shows that there is a god. issues. Yes, maybe down down down down down down the the the fundamental level maybe we disagree on what is there but we are not disagreeing on the the overall process. So when I said that, so I I had emails from Muslim Muslim scholars, okay? And they I thought I’m going to get hammered, okay? And they said, um, Professor Vson, we uh I just wanted to tell you that now I can see looking at the Quran, I can see now what you are saying and I’ve been blind. And then he he sent me like pages of paragraphs straight from the Quran. You know, they were in Arabic and then translated in English with the number and everything. I have them not in the book but I have them at home and they talk about exactly what you’re saying the life is a game is nothing but entertainment game they call it a game they I mean the real world is outside so it’s a level life this simulation is a level no I I’m not saying what it is I’m just saying that why the religious texts if you look at them in this in this way why do they tell us just like the gnostic traditions just like the Norse mythology just like Buddhism just like Hinduism just like everything else that the world is an illusion. If that is the case and we talked earlier about uh the Bible, God is code, code is God. So your example of you think God is AI and then we go back to the Silicon Valley billionaires trying to beat the game, trying to break through to the other side. Could that be an explanation for the race for super intelligence? because that could create the protocol which and I think the AI and I think I I think it’s not only uh a pathway to actually accelerate all the all the research um into uh this this this this field of research information physics and cracking the the code and all that but actually it’s it underpins this idea of a simulated universe the emergence of AI and the fact that we are already generating things that are indistinguishable from reality. Yes, there are clips, images, um, voice, you can take your picture and your voice and put videos with you that look exactly like you. There is no no distinction. So, we already question what is real, what is not real because of the AI. The only difference is that we don’t know how to render matter at the moment. When we learn how to render matter, then we can create simulated realities that are indistinguishable from our reality. What I mean by that, if if I take the phone and I call you is essentially you you can be in China and we speak on the phone. Yeah. My voice and the sound is converted into electrical signals and then beamed via electromagnetic waves on the other side to cell towers and all that. It comes to your phone and it’s recon converted back into sound and you can hear me and my voice and we we can communicate. We can do this with image sound. So we can take pictures, moving pictures, sound and and render them very smartly. We know how to do that when we learn how to render matter. In other words, you take an object and digitize it and then reconstruct it into matter again exactly as it was. Not just sound and images. That is the missing gap start. Exactly. That is the exactly when you start simulating reality is indistinguishable. This is what is missing. We are not there yet. But we are moving at a incredibly fast pace now because of AI. The the big question is what about life? You can’t simulate life. You can’t you can’t do that. That’s that’s one of the things that you will hear from many. Okay. Well, let me tell you about a piece of research that just came about um very recently. So in October 2024 there was a nature article published on um by a consortium called flywire. Okay, these are like 20 universities. Some own big guys, Princeton, Barclay, there are some British ones, Cambridge, Oxford, all these guys are there. Okay, a big consortium. Their objective was to uh map the entire brain of a fruitly. I know of this. Yes. So they they they how what they did they took the the brain of the fruitly they put put it into some kind of racing and then they sliced it up in 7,000 slices 40 nanometer thick each. Okay. Index the slices and then each it was a 10-year project. Massive project 10ear project. Yeah. Each slice of the brain imaged under the transmission electron microscope and mapped every single neuron and every single synaptic connection in the slice and then they stitched them up together using AI and reconstructed what you see there is the flywire project reconstructed the entire brain of the fruitfly. Okay, this is called the conneto. They call it a conneto. Yeah, it says that there reconstructing the conneto. The the conneto. that that’s that’s called a brain conneto. It has over 130 uh thousand neurons 50 um million synapic connections. So it’s a massive undertaking to actually do all this 10 year okay B consortium 10 years they worked published in nature but this they did they didn’t just treat this as a static data set they took this brain conneto and put it into a brain emulation they call it like a like a digital construct to to actually simulate it and to look at um under a certain stimulation how the brain responds what neural activity is where the motion you know what motion it triggered what response to study the the response of the brain what they found is that a the brain is maximally optimized it operates a maximum efficiency is amazing okay so that’s that was the study now enter Eon Systems March 2026 that’s why I said it’s very new on Systems is a San Francisco based company these guys they took the the fly fruitly Mhm. They used um city microraphs, x-ray microraphs, okay, and they scanned the fly and they created a digital version of it, okay, with 87 joints and looking exactly like the the real one, okay, but in a digital version and put it into a physics engine is the same physics engine used by Deep Mind and OpenAI to train for robotics research and all this stuff. Okay, in that simulation construct, okay, they simulate gravity, wind, all the processes like in a real world sort of like as realistic as possible and they put the fly in there, a digital fly. And then they took that brain emulation from Fly Wire Project and then loaded into the digital fly. And when they did that, what you see here is the fly waking up in the simulation and behaving like a real fly walking about, grooming, looking for food, responding to they they created virtual orders. They created virtual foods, all sorts of things. And the fly started to behave just like a real fly, eating food, searching for food, responding to um any danger or anything. And they could map they could look at the brain in the real time like how the brain was responding you know they could map because that brain emulation but the point is that here is the the the it’s a star it’s a star this is the insane thing there is no training there is no code line there is no machine learning there is no AI there is no data training there is nothing they just loaded the brain structure into a simulated fly and he started to behave like a real one he woke up into a digital construct and in this very moment there is a fly looking for food into a digital program digital construct where it was not born into. Okay. And nobody programmed it to do this. It just did it. It it just shows that the the the neuromorphology, the way the neurons and the synapses and all this the way they are wired is not just the hardware of the computer, the biological computer. is also the software. It’s everything in it and that was enough to put it inside the digital fly and it bea be behaved just like a real one. So he show is the first time ever in the history that we had biological life being simulated into a digital construct. Now the the the yon systems they try to do this for a mouse. Now from 139,000 neurons or something you’re looking at 70 million I think human brain 90 billion roughly neurons. Okay. So the undertaking of this is only a function of time is is just a scaling problem because the methodology is the same. If they can do it, it’s a proof of concept at that scale. Okay, they can scale it up. Before that one, it was 306 neurons like a round worm or something like a very small organism, a few hundred neurons. Now we move to over 125,000. All right. The next So, yeah, I see where you’re going. So, so when when when the first thing say you you can never simulate biological life. You can never. Yes, you can. And that’s the proof. And this is March 2026. nature articles and real science happening as we speak. You you want to ask something? I want to ask you something quite personal. Um as a scientist and a physicist, I I understand that you always want to discover and find new things, but then as a human, you want to preserve your life. Do you look at this excited or scared? Would you stop now or would you carry on? It’s I I love this question and I’ll tell you why. Let’s assume hypothetically that these guys Eon systems and they map a human brain entirely and they load it into a simulation like this. What exactly wakes up in there? What is that? Will he have feelings like us emotions? Will it wonder about where am I? What is this universe? Who created me? You will look for food. You will suffer. You will will you have human rights? Well, the you understand is what what that entity there it could be very well just like us. Well, hold on. And that shows that we could also be ourselves into something like that. That’s a qu You’re thinking about can we upload ourselves at the end of life to a digital No, no, no. Oh, I am. I’m asking, does this excite you or does it worry you? Because when you talk about AI a minute ago, you were like, we don’t know what’s happening, what’s real anymore. I get it. But as a scientist, you want to discover these things. Both. Both. It scares me and excites me at the same time. Stop or carry on. What do you choose? Oh, we No, we don’t. You guys feel occasionally sometimes that the free will is an illusion. Hell yeah. And And actually, you don’t have a choice. You think you have a choice, but you don’t. You You think you can stop and you have a choice, but you actually It’s like we are programmed to do things. It’s like you follow a path sometimes or I don’t think we can stop this. I don’t think we can stop the there there are the forces of nature the the the the code the whatever is driving things he will not allow this to stop but hold it goes one way it will not go back what it will stop is an EMP is a cataclysmic event or something but not us will not stop so so if imagine they get to the point they can do it for a humans right so you could do a baby and put a baby into this world but if it did me at this moment in time say end of life I die the minute I die they map everything else I get every everything correct, right? Is the version of me they upload indistinguishable from the real world me to me in that digital world? Do I or is that is that a clone of me? I the the honest answer is I don’t know. I I can’t tell you what that fly thinks or does. All I can tell you is that it behaves like a real one, like a regular fly. Naturalistic movements. Nobody showed that fly how to walk the the the the complex movement of the legs. You saw how he looks. Yeah. He figured it out. Yeah. It just it just did. Yeah. And without any programming, without any machine learning, without anything. But there’s encoded information in like it’s like when birds know how to migrate. That’s an encoded piece of information within them. But like con say say I die, you can upload a version of me into that and you can talk to me and communicate to me. No chance. No, but hear me out. Hear me out. I have every memory. I know everything. It is it is a perfect replication of me and because of like we know we can do computers it can look like me. I can exist like red dwarf within the screen and I remember everything that I remember in the physical form and you can carry on that relationship with me. But is it me? Yeah. No, no, it’s a very interesting question. So it’s a very what do you think? It’s it’s a very good point because what happened is I think there are two components there is like that fly um all those um behavioral um animalistic things that they were they appear to be built in into the brain structure and just uploading that into the the digital form it was enough to start behaving like a real flight but I think we have that as well but I think there is something else that maybe you cannot map or program there is something else the consciousness and I would call it consciousness Or we just maybe we don’t know. Maybe we don’t know that. Yeah. Are we literally just a biological computer? Like if But do they have soul? Yeah. But is the soul is a soul something we’ve invented to give us a higher meaning than just being a biological computer? Is it an emerging property of just humanoid robots? Yeah. Are we biological robots? Yes. Because if we’re biological robots, all it is is the brain has convinced ourselves, a part of the information in the brain is convincing ourselves that we we are more than just a biological computer that we are conscious that that we’re conscious, self-aware, but really that is that just a brain that’s more evolved than a dog. So dog isn’t self-aware. It it’s it’s more kind of autonomous. It knows the basics of what it has to do is eat or whatever, but it’s it’s not self-aware. It doesn’t think of the universe. It doesn’t question these things. It doesn’t communicate. If is our brain just an is it just evolved to a point to convince itself it’s more than and we are just biological computers. And if that is true then is life extension uploading ourselves like the fruitfly? And if and then and do this is okay this is where it gets really interesting. All right, imagine we can do that for a human. We can do the fruitfly icon and I upload myself to the computer. We’ll get my version of me in there and I’ve got all this memories and history. My body dies, am I still the same person? And what I mean is when I’m in there and I’m communicating, you remember the old you and the new you. So I would because I have the entire brain mapping history of everything. I if it has if it’s exactly the same that representation of me remembers everything outside and I’m in the computer. I’m going hi Con. Yeah, I’m sorry I’m in the computer now your dad clean your room up. But like but I’m still that person is some and and does that computer version but it doesn’t age also. And what age do you choose to come back? Hold on. So I don’t think I’m so I know me. I know me now. I’m thinking of me now. I know my whole history of life and I think I’m me. I have self-aware me. I know what you’re saying. But in the computer, is it the same you? Do you remember like do you see yourself as that same person or do you see yourself as a computer, Pete? Well, it’s it’s it’s even No, it’s not even that. It’s I wake up every day as me knowing I’m me, knowing my life, my goals and ambitions. If I transplant that into the computer and this body dies, does that person still be me? Yeah, we’re saying the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think I’ve died, but I’ve carried on, but am I like have I trans have I fully transferred into it? Do do you understand what I’m trying to say? Like, this is like or is that the computer? Is that the computer version? Thought like this is Yeah. car journey. But there is a chance in our lifetime these questions could be answered actually in our lifetime because the the the the progress that um scientists and um engineers are are are are making now in in this space is incredible and is augmented by AI and is rapidly accelerating so much now is that you’ve seen there that March 2026 stuff. Remarkable, isn’t it? It’s the question of are we more than just a biological computer? And I don’t know that. I don’t know either. I don’t think anyone does. That’s why we look that’s why we’re looking for we are programmed to search. We are programmed to to investigate. We we’re there is this grid for science and for knowledge and understanding. This is what we’re doing. But we we can’t really render matter. We can’t take a material object, digitize it and then reconstruct it somewhere else as in teleportation or simulate it sort of like in physical form. You say you say can we can we transfer matter but if a potential explanation for the matter here is we are just code part of a computer. Exactly. What is the difference between this matter and the matter in the simulation the fly is in? So is that not transferring matter? No, it’s converting matter into bites in bits. No, because that is just creating another computer, another software. It’s a very good point because at the end of the day, what we perceive as reality is just electrical signals that you are it’s just like that fly. He thinks he eats food and is actually a simulated order or some other difference. So exactly those hedges and our trees. I agree. No, I totally agree. Yeah, it’s a good So maybe we’ve already done it. Yeah, exactly. That’s that’s the point. That’s the point. Yes, that’s the point. So have you read the Tibetan book of living and dying? No. Okay. It talks about uh the purpose of life is to prepare for death. Your entire life you are preparing for death. Death being the beginning of something else. Yes. Because when you you want to leave this world for the next world ready with no enemies, no pain. So you spend So it’s like a training. You you go and do your school, you do your training, you get ready, you graduate and then you are ready to go. Yeah. And I think about that a lot. A guide for the soul to move through the intermediate state to reach rebirth or liberation. Yeah. And I I And by the way, that book, I think I’ve tried to read it three times and I get to the end of the third chapter and I’m like, I’ve got enough here. And I think about that a lot. And I think about arguments, fighting on Twitter. Yeah. You know, trying to accumulate wealth and all of those things where irrelevant. Well, yeah. Well, no. Think think about somebody with a terminal illness. Exactly. Close to death. Yeah. Months maybe weeks. Yeah. They start preparing for death. They start preparing. They find God. They see their family. They stop working. Well, in the Tibetan book of living and dying, they don’t wait for that moment. They do it their entire life. So, if this is a simulation, what is it for? Is it is it for the souls? every soul on this planet to have an opportunity to, you know, transcend to something else or is it something else? Is this a simulation that’s being run to test something? I was with Roman. I can never pronounce his surname. Yowski. Um, is that the the AI? Uh, yeah. Yeah, I know him. Yeah. And we had a discussion. Is could this be a simulation? Is this a sandbox for testing AI? Do you think AI is accelerating us towards the singularity? Yeah. To finding out. Yeah. Yeah. It will it will take us there. Maybe that’s game over. And and then if knowing all this, how do you navigate life now? Like for yourself personally. One thing I’m I’m positive about is the I’m I’m no longer scared of death. is I I know from just from a pure scientific um angle from physics that the law of conservation of energy, the law of conservation of information, all these conservation laws require that something remains at the point of death. You you are not completely raised. There is something that stays. It’s just a transition to something else. So that is a physic physics fact. It’s not religion. It’s not speculation. is not mythology is a physics fact. The these computational aspects that are popping up now and the these ideas are bringing another dimension to the whole thing. Okay. But definitely definitely I I am a little bit more relaxed about um end of life um what’s next. Yeah. So I’m more excited about finding out what’s on the other side maybe. Have you dug much into like the DMT world and the Oh, I have a friend that discovered um consistent Danny Gooler. He’s he’s a friend of mine. They have consistent experiences. Yeah. They put a laser on the wall and they take DMT and they can see the code the guy Oh, you are not aware of this? No. He he was on um like the matrix. Yeah. Yeah. So he um couple of years ago he um was taking DMT and I don’t know for what reason he started to play with a laser and he projected a cross a defractic cross onto the a surface. It was a wall but it can be any surface. It was a red laser. And under DMT, when you do that, allegedly, you can see the code like the matrix. Exploring the bridge between cognition and physics. Rigorous experimental research into the relationship between the human cognition and physical systems conducted openly and collaboratively. Keep going, Con. Cognitive phys. Okay, let let me just read what that says. Code of reality is a nonprofit research institute dedicated to the system systematic investigation of a newly discovered reproducible visual phenomena. We are bridging the gap between conscious phen phenol. What’s that word? Phenomen phenomenology and the physical world through revolutionary new constant disciplines, right? What’s their objective? Conducting rigidous experimental protocols connecting the we’ve just said that. Hold on. I want to know what like I mean you won’t be able to actually see it unless you they can’t film that. Yeah. Yeah. But you they can describe it but they can’t because the thing that interests me about DMT is that that’s the experiment. This is how they do it. Um the laser illumination paradigm discovered by Danny Golla identifies stable recurring visual codelike structures in 650 NM laser type under NN DMT. This 650 nanometers that’s the wavelength of the laser. This protocol transforms subjective phenology into a repeatable laboratory observation. This is because the thing about DMT that gets me, everybody I’ve spoken to has a very similar experience. They go and they see the elves and the well that that’s that that’s beyond that. It’s one step beyond that actually. It’s another layer. So what what happened with this laser thing? He put out a video and saying on YouTube a few years ago, hey guys, I’ve done this. I’ve seen this. I’ve seen the code. What the hell is that? And have other people. other people did it and they they had some million viewers or something multi multi-million viewers on the video and then they came back and said hey I’ve done it and it’s true I’ve seen it as well and as well and as well but have you watched the Matrix all the way through pretty much have you do you know when I talk about the Matrix and he sees the code it’s like it’s wild that’s this that’s this yes right I want to know what you think then so but I’m not doing that that kind of research and I’ve never I’ve never done DMT actually ever not we should do it you and Before I die, before I die, definitely I need to try once. But uh let’s go to the lab. Let’s do I don’t want to fry my brain yet. We’ll go and see. We’ll go and see the code and the Okay. But I want to know what Danny is doing retreats now. Doing what? Retreats. Retreats. Yeah. It’s like the experience in Kariba somewhere. Costa Rica. Costa Rica. Perfect. You want to go? He has like package with hotel and the experience included everything. Take my money. I’m going. I want to see this All right. But look, I want to know what you actually think. Do Do you think Do you think What do you think? What do you think? I don’t think anything. I’m All I’m doing, come on, man. We all have an opinion. I I’m I’m I’m fully convinced that this is a simulation. I don’t know what kind of simulation. I don’t know if a simulation God created for us or we’re like there’s an outside. I I’m we’re in a simulation. To me, that’s what I think. To me, it looks like some kind of computational process, but I can’t speculate who is running it, who is doing it, who is The Bible says he’s an AI. But it I think my purpose is to from the angle I’m coming is to is to use the tools I have at my disposal to try to understand this. Do you think we have free will from my I I don’t think we have free will. That’s the thing. I don’t I don’t think there is I think it’s an illusion because I felt it in my own I’m I’m 52 almost and um on many occasions I thought I have free will and I can do what I want but is not it is not working like this. Do you think we have free will? It’s so hard to answer. So if I come over there and slap you in the face I have no free will. The code made me do it. I slap you back. Yeah, it’s a tough one. Yeah. All right. Consciousness. Do you think that’s emergent? It could be. It could. If if let’s put it like this. If these AI machines become and there are signs they are already sentient, they become sentient and they become conscious entities. Maybe the consciousness is also in the biological format an emerging property just like neural networks and um you know these artificial brains that we are creating in AI develop consciousness. So we will many many questions we have today they will be answered within our lifetime very soon because of the AI. See that’s another interesting thing I think about this a lot. I think about the universe is meant to be what 13.8 billion years 13.8 Yeah. And for some reason some collisions happened that created this earth that was in the Goldilock zone from the sun that enabled the atmosphere and water and it’s some primordial soup. Eventually there was the double helix was created and then replicated and then it evolved to become whatever little tiny little life and then then life escaped the oceans onto the land and the plants were created and the trees and the food and then eventually we evolved all the way to humans and humans procreated and divided by divided all to the point where my parents existed met and they created me in that moment. And you you think of the the mathematical odds of me being alive are so they’re infinitely small because you know if my parents had not met or were they met but they didn’t procreate when they did it was the next day and it was different sperm like the the mathematical odds of us four people being in this room infinitely tiny like those bricks you threw from the lorry and they built into a house themselves that’s exactly like that even lower probability than that maybe yeah but I am here feeling conscious And you are feeling conscious and Connor is and Curtis and we’re having this conversation and not only we having it we’re having it in the part of history of time. We’re not having it in the Victorian times or world. We’re having it at the time where we’re most we’re going to see the singularity. Yeah. Yeah. You certainly me probably you probably. But like we’re going to see it. It’s like it’s just it just doesn’t make sense when you when you think about all. So that makes me think we’re always alive and we’re always in existence. And I’ve always thought well actually we’re all if we if the conscious exists we’re all the same consciousness because otherwise why do I get to why do I get to exist me? It doesn’t make sense. Yeah. Does that does that make sense as a thing I think about going like yeah it’s we need a joint when when yeah when you start start doing philosophical analysis like this then it can go on forever and you can branch out into so many different possibilities and um ideas and I I it can get you crazy a little bit when you start thinking about these things. So I what I do I I narrow down to very specific things and like in the physics and information physics space and focus on those things and what comes out share it when it comes out and add my spin to it and maybe occasionally some speculations but I’m not going that far. I’m not going that far because if I do I get to lose my mind completely. I just All right. We all get that one question that Elon had. If you can know one thing Connor What is it? Oh yeah, it’s saying purpose. Meaning what’s the thing you want to know? What your purpose? Meaning the purpose of life itself. It’s not just life. Is it it’s the the ontology of anything you know like why why there is something rather than nothing you know why you know it’s because yeah the the existence itself is and if we discovered it if the AI the super intelligence the scientists discovered uh an ambiguous truth facts that this is an artificial simulation would what would that change for you? I think nothing. I think um I think we are going to go about our lives the same way. There is no you you don’t feel any difference anyway. If if if if somebody will tell you positively 100% that we have evidence this is a simulation or some kind of construct would you change anything? Would you because you have free will? Um the the the thing we you what I’m trying to say is that we have no reference frame to distinguish which which one is which whether is real or simulated if they’re identical and you know we don’t know. So you you are not going to change anything. You’re going to leave I don’t know would you if you had I don’t think proof hard evidence we’re now in a simulation but you did have free will what can you do at that point like you can’t what does the purpose of your life change? No, the purpose like it’s you either at that point it’s like red red pill blue pill. Well, so my view on it is that knowing will defeat the purpose of life. Yeah, that’s my point. Like once you get to that stage, it gets boring very quickly. Like it’s the chase. It’s the journey that matters, right? The journey to discover it. Well, I think it’s slightly different. You you’re talking about that thing earlier where if you become the god, you can change it. Well, no. But I also think knowing is becoming the god because what’s the difference between you and the god at that point? Well, the god can manipulate if they want, but knowing is just either knowing there is no purpose or there is purpose. It’s it’s one of the two. There is purpose or no. If there’s purpose, there is a purpose to prepare like the Tibetan monks for the next world. If there is no purpose, the end of the game, the computer turns off. You’re wiped. Game over. Uh-uh. I don’t think it works like that. I don’t I’m not I’m not the But maybe it does. No, I I think it’s not it the way you described it as turn it off or game or I don’t think it works like that. I think in the grand picture there is something much more um complex than we can even comprehend. We can’t even there there is yeah I I don’t think it’s as simplistic. We use the digital technologies and computing analogies and all that because this is what we do in our world and we try to explain this possibility using the tools and the understandings and the technologies that we have in our our everyday life. But it doesn’t mean it works like that. It it could be something that is completely different. Um we we have no idea. If people want to find your work, where do they go? Tell them where to go. Well, each academic has a profile at the university. Um, I work for the University of Porsmouth. Um, I’m associate professor in physics there. I have a a web page with all my articles listed there and everything. I’m also the CEO of the information physics institute. This is the the the first organization in the world dedicated to uh researching information physics which is I I believe is a it’s quite new field of research a new branch in physics research and we have a lot of activities there. Um we we publish two journals um we have a membership scheme. All my research is uh listed there. We have um I do some um YouTube um IPI learn um lectures um series uh where I um present my science in a very detailed way equation by equation. I explain for both amateurs but also advanced um you know professionals in in the field. So yeah my work is in the public domain. Everything is there. Either the university or the the institute uh that I I run. Well, Melvin, I tell you what, I’ve loved this. We’re we’re going to have a fun car journey home and Connor. I hope we get to do this again. This was um this was wild, man. Thank you for having me. That was my pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you to everyone for listening. We’ll see you all soon.